Undressing Underground/Platonic Polyamory
By Rob Marvin
Undressing Underground/Platonic PolyamoryAug 12, 2022
PPA - Jazmin Castañeda Pt 2
Part two of our conversation with Jazmin, this time more focused on her own story and artwork. We learn about the origins of some of her recurring characters, her highly personal work with her father, and what it's like teaching art to elementary school kids these days.
Be sure to check out Jazmin's work on her Instagram, but also please do stop by her fundraiser for Palestine if you're around LA on 4/27/2024. More info below, but you can also check out the official flyer on her instagram.
A Fundraiser for Palestine: An Art Show and Call for Action 🕊️
Location: Matilija Lending Library, El Monte
Time: 6-10pm
Entrance fee: $10 (all funds donated towards Palestinian Aid)
Bring Your Own Stamps + Chairs
Guest speakers from nonprofits, featured Poets and Writers for Palestinian liberation, live music from bands BadSoma & Supercoze, and food/drink vendors!
This is a CALL FOR ACTION event! This event is an opportunity to use our voices and passion to get more involved with calling an immediate and lasting ceasefire for Gaza. If you would like to write letters to congress/legislators to demand this ceasefire but don’t know how, please attend this event! If you want to make protest signs or political art but don’t have the materials, attend! The more people the better.
**Art made dedicated to Palestine by 15 artists will be on display during the event and will be raffled off with all funds donated towards Gaza Sunbirds, eSIMS, and Red Crescent.**
Gaza is still under siege, we need your support now!!!
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PPA - A Fundraiser for Palestine w/ Jazmin Castañeda
We talk to artist Jazmin about her Fundraiser for Palestine set to take place at the Matilija Lending Library in El Monte, CA (near LA) on Saturday 4/27.
We focus almost entirely on the fundraiser in this episode. Next week we'll have more about Jazmin's background as an artist and the usual bullshit about reality shows, Jennifer's weird life, etc.
For more info on the fundraiser, check out this flyer on Jazmin's's Instagram. For more info on Jazzzyyy, just click back to the rest of her Insta.
If you have trouble with Instagram, here's the info for the flyer. Be sure to reach out if you have any food or anything else you can offer for the event.
Today is Land back day, a significant day when Palestinians hold protests, vigils, and show resistance towards the Israeli force for the years they have occupied Palestinian land and taken innocent lives since 1976 which has tragically still continued till today.
If you want to show more support or get more involved to call an immediate ceasefire, please read the following caption:
Mark your calendars for April 27th!!
A Fundraiser for Palestine: An Art Show and Call for Action 🕊️
Location: Matilija Lending Library, El Monte
Time: 6-10pm
Entrance fee: $10 (all funds donated towards Palestinian Aid)
Bring Your Own Stamps + Chairs
Guest speakers from nonprofits, featured Poets and Writers for Palestinian liberation, live music from bands BadSoma & Supercoze, and food/drink vendors!
This is a CALL FOR ACTION event! This event is an opportunity to use our voices and passion to get more involved with calling an immediate and lasting ceasefire for Gaza. If you would like to write letters to congress/legislators to demand this ceasefire but don’t know how, please attend this event! If you want to make protest signs or political art but don’t have the materials, attend! The more people the better.
**Art made dedicated to Palestine by 15 artists will be on display during the event and will be raffled off with all funds donated towards Gaza Sunbirds, eSIMS, and Red Crescent.**
Gaza is still under siege, we need your support now!!!
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Featured artists:
@seain.red
@josiemarlyn
@moflowers00
@esqp.art
@per.kapita
@joseislame
@_de_la_tierraa_
@elcuentodellos
@shallow_and_uninteresting
@slothh.queen
@dezdelatorre
@agedungs
@franklin.east
@knivoryjames
If you have any questions regarding the event, please message @jazzzyfizzles or @artofnothingpress
PPA - Poet Anthony Thomas Lombardi Pt. 2
Part two of our conversation with Anthony Thomas Lombardi in which we delve more into how he got into poetry, rap music, God, and his involvement with different facets of the Free Palestine movement.
For more on the latter, check out the Google Doc he references in the episode.
For more on his poetry and Anthony in general, check out his Instagram.
For more on us, subscribe or listen to old episodes. I'm walking out the door and don't feel like looking up links.
PPA - Brooklyn Poet Anthony Thomas Lombardi
Today is the first part of our talk with an old friend of mine, the poet Anthony Lombardi. We've known each other for about 16 or 17 years (he takes poetic license to claim 20) but have lost touch several times, only for him to reemerge in a completely different stage of his life.
Now he's a poet, sober, and thriving (if you ask me, not him). He regularly performs around New York, teaches several courses on poetry and film, published all over, has another book coming out in 2025, and he's getting divorced again.
We talk more about his poetry in the second half, but this time we do touch on it but mostly discuss Amy Winehouse, his connection to Big Star, addiction, and the loss of friends and loved ones. Beneath all the neck tattoos he's a big softie.
You can mostly learn more about Anthony via his Instagram, where he regularly posts his poetry and includes links to the causes he's involved with.
PPA - Leslie Keffer Pt 2
The second half of our conversation with esteemed noise musician Leslie Keffer. In this part we talk about noise music (of course), touring, stained glass, and spend a good chunk talking about AI.
Nothing anti-AI this time. Sorry.
Same opening and closing tracks as last time since I've got a lot going on and didn't have time. But still be sure to check out Leslie's Bandcamp page, No Part Of It's Bandcamp, and, I dunno, google around about her. She's been around a while and done a ton of interesting stuff. One of which is this Gutter: Girls of Noise doc I still need to watch.
ALSO! Are you doing cool shit like Leslie? Do you know Leslie or Arvo or one of our other guests? We want to talk to you! There's always more room in our platonic polycule, but we also have lives and jobs and stuff and can't spend as much time as we'd like looking for new guests. If you're interested, find us on social media or shoot me an email at rob@undressingunderground.com
Oh, and don't forget to subscribe to Jennifer's mailing list, the Dirtbag Christian.
PPA - Leslie Keffer (Noise Musician)
We finally had just enough of a break from all the horrible, complicated, and annoying things in our lives to sit down and talk to esteemed noise musician, and mutual friend of Arvo Zylo, Leslie Keffer. We talk about how she got into noise music, touring, and some about her process, but the Zoom's AI that Jennifer discovered probably gives a good of a synopsis of the overall conversation as I can:
Based on the meeting transcript, the conversation seems to be casual and meandering, covering various topics such as podcasting, music scenes, secret societies, and polyamory. The participants discuss their experiences and share anecdotes about living in Nashville, attending shows, and encountering different subcultures. There is also mention of Freemasons, Mormonism, and the TV show "Big Love." Overall, the meeting appears to be a friendly and informal discussion without any specific agenda or action items.
We'll be in a week or two with part two of our discussion. In the meantime, you can hear more from the split EP tape of Leslie playing (respectively) with Kim Gordon and Thurston Moore on YouTube and here more of her solo work either on her bandcamp or the No Part Of It label's bandcamp. You can also find Leslie on Twitter.
Also, if you're interested in more projects of people fucking around with radios, there's the short film Brandon and I shot in Joshua Tree last year, Extinction Weekend. And Jennifer can always be found on her Substack, the Dirtbag Christian.
PPA - Rob's old friend, a die-hard Disco Biscuits fan
Not really sure how to title this because we don't want to give his name considering the stuff we discuss. But this is one of my oldest friends, someone I used to travel around with to festivals and to see the Dead, but who has lived a much more interesting life than me. He notes that he's seen the Disco Biscuits live more times than there are days in a year. Following bands is a bizarre and hilarious subculture that I have enjoyed in small doses and have always loved hearing about.
If you're curious what the Disco Biscuits sound like, you can check out this random live video I found on YouTube. It's 50 minutes long and features 3 songs.
If you've been following us, I apologize for the break in episodes. 2023 saw a lot of turbulence, between Brandon getting a job and working on his book, Jennifer getting laid off and buying a house, and then everything going on in mine. The big thing was still the lingering effects of a sudden and unexpected breakup from someone I was in the early stage of buying a house with, but also a deluge of other comically absurd mental, physical, and especially financial crises. But we're working on getting back to talking to more strange podcasters, noise musicians, and general weirdos in 2024.
2023 Xmas Exchange (with Jill & Josh)
After this year, I'm done tempting fate. We're calling this the Xmas Exchange now. I also don't remember how many we've done, so I'm done trying to figure that out.
Anyway, we're back with Josh and Jill for our annual exchange of the best, worst, weirdest, funniest, and most interesting Christmas music and clips we could compile. This year Josh and Jill really leaned into the worst, but they've got a handful of nice bits I'll be including in future Christmas mixtapes I force upon my friends and family in lieu of gifts, despite no one owning a CD player anymore.
As always, Jill's share includes an eclectic collection of foreign Christmas songs and Josh's includes some of the dumbest shit you'll ever hear. I edited together my choices again, this time focusing on a smattering of high and low brow Christmas movies, specials, and one local news interview. To my surprise, Josh and Jill were really into my editing, so if you want to see that and you're not located in one of the 70+ countries it's banned from, you can see that here, though I should note I had to film my screen for a lot of it (the sound was recorded direct and sounds fine): https://youtu.be/ZpeMWMEG18Q
As for the music, hope you have Shazam downloaded because we forgot to announce pretty much everything again.
At the end we're joined by Jennifer C. Martin, who reads a family favorite, 'Twas the Night Before Redneck Christmas.
Platonic Polyamory will be back in the new year. Everything in my life began falling apart in February just got exponentially worse as the year went on, leaving me mentally and physically incapable of following through on anything, let alone this podcast. But we've got one interview already recorded and a couple lined up for the first few months of 2024.
Happy holidays/New Years/whatever you do.
PPA - Bullshitting with Kelly of Indubitably
Just like evolution will inevitably lead to crabs, our conversations will inevitably lead to breast milk and cannibalism. We discussed cell steaks, again, but also veggie burgers, idiosyncratic small towns across America, the Pacific Northwest, and Brandon and I both got incredibly excited by the mention of the old Hentai theater in Portland.
If you enjoy hearing from Kelly and find yourself curious about non-right wing debate culture, please do check out her podcast Indubitably over at Podbean or wherever you get your podcasts.
Also, subscribe to Jennifer's newsletter, The Dirtbag Christian, at her Substack. She has a paid option now, which gets you additional content, an exclusive Discord chat (that I will join eventually), and other exclusive content. It's worth it. She's worth it. Just do it.
Want to come on the podcast? Or know another good guest? Shoot me an email at rob@undressingunderground.com or reach out to any of us in whatever way you know how. We're ethical platonic sluts and are interested in talking about anything with just about anyone.
PPA - Kelly of the Indubitably Podcast
Hello, we're back. I moved and my cat got cancer, Brandon got a job, and Jennifer quit hers, so... here we are. Now. Instead of earlier.
This week we had Kelly from the podcast Indubitably talk to us about debating and how she does it without crying. And who wins if someone does cry. Honestly, I think we were all sort of surprised how interesting we found debate. It's become an easy topic to dismiss due to the rise of the disingenuous right wing debate culture, but Kelly makes a formidable case for its usefulness and its just being a fun thing to do (for anyone but me).
Jennifer was a guest on Indubitably last year, so please do check out her discussing polyamory, dating apps, and cancel culture with Josh and Kelly here. You can also find more episodes and where else you can here them at their PodBean page.
And if you're still reading, please also check out Jennifer's blog, The Dirtbag Christian. She just added a paid tier and is going to be posting regular updates going forward.
And hey, I just heard from Tripp Nasty recently, our former guest and composer of the songs I stole for most of our episodes. If you're reading this on 8/4, that means it's Bandcamp Friday, so why not go peruse his offerings and throw him a few bucks too? https://trippnasty.bandcamp.com/
k, bye now
PPA - Brandon Noel (Olney Magazine) Pt 2
Part two of our talk with Brandon Noel about his working class background, poetry, and Olney Magazine. Plus a little more about religion, but not much. We also talk about how reality TV is made.
Olney recently released their fifth issue, which you can pick up on their website as a $5 PDF or the print version for $17.99. It's worth picking up just for our very own Jennifer C Martin's cover story on her alma mater, "Lee University and the on campus treatment of its LGTBQ+ student." You can learn more about Olney and submit your own work through their website, though they're also on Twitter and Instagram. They're also on Facebook, but you're not really still on Facebook, are you?
PPA - Brandon Noel (Olney Magazine) Pt 1
We brought Brandon Noel on to talk about his working class background, poetry, and Olney Magazine, but our Brandon and I can't stop fucking talking about religion. So, in this part Brandon Noel speaks primarily about how he founded his own church in his early 20s, his amusingly pedantic theory on the "existence" of God, and then we talk a little about Hoarders before I have to cut it off to prevent this episode from going on two hours.
Next week Jennifer forces us to talk about Brandon Noel's work in a steel mill, the origins of Olney Magazine in the backroom of a cigar bar, and how he's been able to carve out a more fulfilling career in the media thanks to his work in Olney and his former blue collar job. He also explains the origin of the name Olney, which evidently has nothing to do with the Olney area of North Philadelphia.
Olney recently released their fifth issue, which you can pick up on their website as a $5 PDF or the print version for $17.99. It's worth picking up just for our very own Jennifer C Martin's cover story on her alma mater, "Lee University and the on campus treatment of its LGTBQ+ student." You can learn more about Olney and submit your own work through their website, though they're also on Twitter and Instagram. They're also on Facebook, but you're not really still on Facebook, are you?
PPA - Melissa Guevara (El Salvadoran Multi-Media Artist) (English/Spanish Version)
Hi, hello, sorry, yes, we're late again. I hope this edit makes sense because I'm still too busy to start from scratch. But this edit cuts out most of Ileana and leaves Melissa's answers intact for any bilingual listeners. I'm sure our reactions aren't going to really make sense. Sorry.
If you skipped the last episode, here's a recap of the description, lightly edited because Tripp Nasty had to cancel his tour.
Good hello again and sorry again for the delay. Life is hard, but it goes on, whether I want it to or not.
Today on the show we talk to a mutual friend of former guests Ileana and Ernesto Bautista, Melissa Guevara. Her and Ernesto's work have a lot of overlaps (death, experimental video, large conceptual pieces, focus on El Salvadoran history and issues like immigration), but also we tried to focus a little more on her own unique perspectives and approaches. We discuss all of the above, but we also touch on her religious upbringing, her current feelings about religion, and her pottery work.
Also of note, Melissa's answers in this episode are translated by our mutual friend and former guest, Ileana. I've done my best to edit this in an engaging manner for English speakers, leaving Melissa's answers largely in place but diverting focus to Ileana's translations layered above them, but we will also have a bilingual version in the coming weeks that will feature all of our questions in English and Melissa's answers in Spanish. If there's any questions or concerns about my editing, please let me know by emailing me at rob@undressingunderground.com.
If this works out, we'd also love to hear from other non-English speaking artists and people. If you know anyone and would like to help us out with this, please feel free to contact me at the email above and let's see what we can do. We had a lovely time talking to Melissa and are incredibly grateful to Ileana for her services. We would love to learn more about what's going on outside of the anglosphere.
If you want to learn more about Melissa or take a look at some of the work described in the episode, you can check out her website and her VIMEO, which are primarily in Spanish.
Music today is a couple of old tracks by our buddy Tripp Nasty.
PPA - Melissa Guevara (El Salvadoran Multi-Media Artist) (English Version)
Good hello again and sorry again for the delay. Life is hard, but it goes on, whether I want it to or not.
Today on the show we talk to a mutual friend of former guests Ileana and Ernesto Bautista, Melissa Guevara. Her and Ernesto's work have a lot of overlaps (death, experimental video, large conceptual pieces, focus on El Salvadoran history and issues like immigration), but also we tried to focus a little more on her own unique perspectives and approaches. We discuss all of the above, but we also touch on her religious upbringing, her current feelings about religion, and her pottery work.
Also of note, Melissa's answers in this episode are translated by our mutual friend and former guest, Ileana. I've done my best to edit this in an engaging manner for English speakers, leaving Melissa's answers largely in place but diverting focus to Ileana's translations layered above them, but we will also have a bilingual version in the coming weeks that will feature all of our questions in English and Melissa's answers in Spanish. If there's any questions or concerns about my editing, please let me know by emailing me at rob@undressingunderground.com.
If this works out, we'd also love to hear from other non-English speaking artists and people. If you know anyone and would like to help us out with this, please feel free to contact me at the email above and let's see what we can do. We had a lovely time talking to Melissa and are incredibly grateful to Ileana for her services. We would love to learn more about what's going on outside of the anglosphere.
If you want to learn more about Melissa or take a look at some of the work described in the episode, you can check out her website and her VIMEO, which are primarily in Spanish.
Music today is a couple of old tracks by our buddy Tripp Nasty. He's touring soon, so sniff around his social media for more info on that.
PPA - Bullshitting with Christian Chiakulas
We talked to Christian about a month ago about this book, The Carpenter's Son: A Proletarian Reconstruction of the Jesus of Nazareth. Afterward we talked for another 45 minutes about a bunch of bullshit, as we generally do. So, we've started recording that, cause, why not.
The episode starts off where the last left off, with Jennifer and Christian's thoughts on the future of leftism in Christianity, but then we just start talking about pizza and cheese steaks and buying cigarettes in Indiana. We had fun. I hope you have fun. Was your day ok? My life is falling apart, which is why these take so long to come out. But I had fun thinking up more secular songs about Jesus to throw on the beginning and end.
Ok thanks, ttyl. If you or anyone you know would make a good guest, reach out to me (@thedeathsiren) or Jennifer (@notreallyjcm) and let us know.
PPA - The Carpenter's Son w/ Christian Chiakulas
Happy Good Friday, if that's something I'm supposed to say. For our Easter special we've got Jennifer's friend, author Christian Chiakulas talking to us about the Jesus guy everyone's talking about right now. I'd offer a synopsis of his book, but the title The Carpenter's Son: A Proletarian Reconstruction of Jesus of Nazareth, seems to cover the basics. Needless to say, Brandon was very excited and had a ton of questions involving dialectics, materialism, and other terms I only barely comprehend. That said, it's a fairly easy read, largely focusing on existing research about the man, Jesus Christ, and attempting to place biblical events and writings in a historical context that doesn't line up great with the American christian right. I had no trouble following it and I'm a fucking idiot. Just gotta skip over some of the big words. You'll get it.
Next week we'll toss up the last half hour of our conversation in which we mostly talk about food. Apparently there's a type of Chicago-style pizza other than deep dish. I've never had either of them, but they all swear by all of them.
Opening track came up when I searched for Neutral Milk Hotel's "I love you Jesus Christ" song in Google. It barely has any listens and it's only a minute long, but it made me laugh. Good SEO skills, deadcowboy. Happy to double your 29 listens with this episode.
PPA - Ernesto Bautista (El Salvadoran Multimedia Artist) Pt. 2
Part 2 of our chat with El Salvadoran director, poet, musician, multimedia artist, etc. etc. etc., Ernesto Bautista. In this part he discusses his work with his old collective, organizing a soccer match between survivors of both sides in the El Salvadoran Civil War. He also digs a little deeper into the flourishing metal scene in El Salvador, including the effects of the president's current crackdown on "gang members" that has resulted in the profiling and arrest of many in the scene.
The opening and closing tracks can be found on Ernesto's metal album, Karma Theatre, on his bandcamp. Though it's also available on Spotify, Apple Music, and whatever other streaming service afterthoughts billionaires have out there.
Also be sure to check out Ernesto's linktree to take a deeper dive into his various endeavors.
While you're clicking around, why not check out Jennifer C. Martin's latest on her substack, The Dirtbag Christian?
PPA - Ernesto Bautista (El Salvadoran Multimedia Artist) Pt. 1
Today on the show we talk to filmmaker, poet, and multimedia artist Ernesto Bautista, who I almost certainly mispronounce the name of in my introduction despite Ileana sending me a WhatsApp message with the correct pronunciation. I still can't say her name either, though.
As I mention in the intro and we discuss a little later on in the episode, Ernesto was introduced to us by a mutual friend and our former guest, Ileana. You can hear more about her in our previous episode, Au Pair Nightmares w/ ileana.
But enough about Ileana. Today's guest is Ernesto. I'm not even entirely sure what to say except that we spend most of the episode silent as he offered thoughtful descriptions of his work, poetry, the history of his country. His work spans countless mediums and has been featured in museums around the world, including the main exhibit of the Reina Sofía Museum in Madrid, Spain. He's made several experimental films, had his words plastered on the sides of trucks and the pavement of busy intersections, and created shocking works utilizing human blood and skeletal remains. All of this meant to investigate, inspire, and deconstruct our understanding of life, memory, perception, violence, death, and I guess some other things I'm not smart enough wrap my mind around.
As mentioned in the introduction, this episode will be broken into two parts. In this first episode we touch on his approach to art and poetry, his use of human remains, and his feelings about what it means to be alive. In part two we dig a little deeper into the El Salvadoran Civil War, his work with its survivors, and a brief introduction the flourishing heavy metal scene in El Salvador.
In the meantime, please check out Ernesto's website to experience more of his work firsthand. He can be found at https://www.ernestobautista.com. Though, just as his work explores life, death, and memory, so does his web presence as half of the links about him I click on are dead. You can also watch a brief, subtitled introduction to Ernesto and his work on FLORA ars+natura's YouTube, see excerpts of his own film work (about half of which is subtitled) on his VIMEO, and check out his Bandcamp to hear more of his metal band Karma Theatre, featured in this episode. Karma Theatre can also be found on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Music.
4th or 5th Cease & Desistmas Christmas Special
Another year, another collection of strange, terrible, funny, and sometimes lovely Christmas songs from all over the world and throughout the last 100 years of recorded sound. I (Rob) am joined as every other year by my buddies Jill and Josh.
We had to record this at midnight because Jill is back in Tokyo, Josh has added somewhere between 3 and 10 children to his house since last year, and I was at a double feature of terrible Christmas horror films. We didn't have the time to troubleshoot why Josh's mic was blowing out, so apologies for that, but I cut out most of the stuff that was truly indiscernible.
If you want help tracking down any of the songs we play clips from, reach out to me at rob@undressingunderground.com and I'll do my best to figure out whatever the hell Jill is playing.
Also, don't forget to check out the PPA talk with Christmas Underground from a couple weeks back. His 2022 mix is also now up at his website.
If you or someone you know wants to talk Christmas music with any of us next year, let us know. Brandon, Jennifer, and I are already figuring out who we could manage. I don't care if we do 10 Christmas episodes next year.
PPA - Christmas Underground
We were very excited to talk to the guy (forgot to ask his name) behind the blog christmasunderground.com, which is currently on its 10th year. People that know Brandon and I know we love Christmas music, though we tend toward Culturcide, The Frogs, and a guy impersonating Randy Newman performing "All I Want For Christmas Is You" on YouTube that got DMCA'd a few years back and now is impossible to find (outside of my hard drive). Jennifer likes the Sufjan Stevens albums and I'm actually not sure what all else. But she's a real Christian, so, there's that.
But today we got to talk about the unfathomable depths of original Christmas music available on Bandcamp, Soundcloud, MySpace, and countless CD compilations and albums from the last 20+ years. We're not even touching on the history of R&B and novelty 7"s, the original run of classic records, the local music from nearly every industrialized nation, and so on. There is so much fucking Christmas music out there. If you want to know more about that, check out the documentary our guest mentions, Jingle Bell Rocks! The link will take you to JustWatch, which lists everywhere it's available to rent or stream (I signed up for a free trial of Fandor to see it).
Christmas Underground focuses more on the sincere, indie side of things. There's a new mix posted a few days before Christmas each year and 50+ posts about his assorted finds leading up to that. He even touches on some new standards brewing in the underground that even I wasn't familiar with (most notably, So Much Wine by Handsome Family).
Listen to the episode and when you're done check out the following links to Christmas Underground to hear and learn more about his favorites.
Phoebe Bridgers - So Much Wine
Traveller - Christmas Eve at Kroger
Annie Booth - Christmas Time (Keep It Together)
Charlie Hand Movement - Baubles
Have Yourself a Merry Indie Christmas (compilation)
Sorry about everything I was wrong about again this episode. See everyone a few more times this month for more of the annual Christmas music nonsense.
PPA - AJ Dungo
First off, I had some internet issues, so the episode gets cut off at the end (like when we talked to Colin). Sorry!
Second, I included some music cues to add context to a few points AJ and Brandon make (like when we talked to Laura and Tripp).
Third, we talked to AJ. He's Brandon's friend going back to middle school when AJ'd tap on Brandon's window to ask him to skateboard. They've supported each other through their cultural journey through skateboarding, punk, and noise music and are now exhibiting the fruits of that journey with their upcoming graphic novel history on the history of skateboarding.
We don't get much into his illustrating, but you can check out AJ's work on his website: https://www.ajdungo.com
You can also hear more from his former band, Bear Flag Republic, on their bandcamp, which features a free download of their sole album. The episode opens and closes with them. There's also a little clip in the middle to exhibit just how p r e t t y they are.
I think we'll be back with another episode before my annual Christmas music podcast with my buddies Jill and Josh. J&J Christmas, as they're generally referred to.
Bye bye
PPA - Julia Wright
Today we talked to Julia Wright, one of those practical effect weirdos that bloodies and bruises the actors in horror films and creates dead defecating dogs out of weaves and PVC pipe for short films. She's also Jennifer C Martin's sister.
Brandon and Rob probe about why practical effects are better and seek out horror recommendations (she's got a couple good ones, one of which from Japan in 2005 that we'd never heard of) while her and Jennifer reminisce about disturbing shit from their childhood.
Check out Julia and her husband's work on their website, Rabbit Trail Studio, and their instagram. And check out the lettuce suit she built for the Appetite's music video for Static Friends. We couldn't find the short film she referenced. You guys gotta give your stuff more original names.
Also, don't forget to sign up for Jennifer's newsletter, the Dirtbag Christian, if you haven't already. She does still update it occasionally.
PPA - Sara Von Century
Sara Century's back on this podcast feed for the umpteenth time. This time we talked to her about the inherent queerness of horror, the lack of queerness of some modern LGBT horror, getting drunk in movie theaters, queerness and emotion in punk, and a bunch of other stuff. Sara knows everything, so there's a lot to talk about. Except comic books, cause we don't really care about super heroes. I guess we touch on it some.
If you do want to hear Sara talk about comic books, check out her podcast Bitches on Comic.
Also be sure to check out the website for her publishing company, Queer Spec, for more info on her various projects. Or her personal website, saracentury.com, which has a mailing list I'm sure she'll send the first blast out for any day now.
Or just search "Sara Century" on your favorite podcast app and I'm sure you'll find months worth of audio discussing whatever you could possibly want her talk about.
PPA - Sound of Confusion
Jennifer's gone viral again for her hot takes on polyamory and Christianity. This time her wealthy grandmother caught wind of it and cut her out of the will and the rest of her life. So, we talk about that. Partly because I fucked up scheduling again and Sara Century thought we were recording the following week, partly because Jennifer's life is endlessly interesting.
PPA - Platonic Polyamory's Mickey Reece's Platonic Polyamory
Mickey Reece made it this week! As a bunch of scum sucking freaks, we all felt a kindred spirit in the DIY, and even the more recent sellout arthouse horror films of Mickey Reece.
If you're unfamiliar with Mickey Reece, just know that he is probably 30-something years old, but his IMDB features 37 film and only 9 of them are available publicly. Because of this, his predilection for casual experimentation, and his remote origins in bumfuck, Oklahoma, the press has lavished him with all sorts of cute nicknames like, "Flyover Fassbinder." A title I wish I had acquired while making films in Indiana, but I refuse professional or amateur envy.
We talked to Mickey Reece's Mickey Reece about what drives his story and production choices, his "real" job, and how beautiful life would be if he could sell out.
You can watch Climate of the Hunter on Shudder, Agnes on Hulu, and a handful of his older films (as in, more than 2 years old) on Alamo OnDemand. The last link includes the destined to be cult classic, Mickey Reece's Alien, a film about Elvis, Priscilla, and Elvis's illegitimate extra(?) terrestrial baby. Keep an eye on your local film festivals for Mickey Reece's latest, Country Gold, which depicts the time Garth Brooks met George Jones shortly before the latter was cryogenically frozen. If you prefer to multitask, you can also watch his one minute Instagram Reels for George's Liquor in Oklahoma City @stopbygeorgesokc
And as long as you're clicking around, why not see what Jennifer C. Martin's up to? Brandon and I don't have links. Except for this one.
PPA - Waiting for Mickey
I was listening to Desert Oracle recently and noticed he stopped using episode numbers and it occurred to me that if there's anything less pointless than naming these episodes, it's assigning them numbers. So, no more of that.
This is a non-episode in which I fucked up scheduling our guest and he didn't show, so we talked about Tim Tebow and movies with weird thoughts on trans people. I also posted the zoom link on twitter out of curiosity and we got zoom bombed by some people who's only hobby is apparently saying the 'n' word. We were already having a problematic conversation guys, we don't care.
We'll have on Mickey Mouse, the star of Fantasia and Steamboat Willie next week. Thanks to everyone that listened to our episode with Ileana.
PPA - E8 - Aupair Nightmares w/ Ileana
We talk to my old friend Ileana about her experience as a Mexican citizen working as an au pair in the United States for two years. It may shock you to learn that being a Mexican woman living in an American family's home while employed as a domestic worker is not great! Ileana discusses the long hours, low pay, the deceptive agencies that facilitate these matchups, and the bizarrely manipulative and boundary pushing actions of these American host families.
It sucks. Great talk. Also, Brandon inquires about incest in polyamory and then I had to cut almost all of Jennifer's response. Someone please let her know that I am in fact editing these to make her look better. Most of the time. It probably does make her look worse sometimes. I'm not the greatest judge of character.
Warm Regards,
Rob
Oh, and here's links Ileana wanted us to share.
This is the activist group she works with, including speaking to members of congress recently (who basically asked her, "Why do you think you deserve to live with dignity?")
https://www.domesticworkers.org/
And a couple of their fact sheets on au pairs:
https://www.domesticworkers.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Au-Pair-Myths-2021-—-New-Jersey-1.pdf
https://www.domesticworkers.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Au-Pair-Fact-Sheet-2021-—-New-Jersey.pdf
She also asked that we share the following articles for further reading.
https://jacobin.com/2020/01/abolish-au-pair-program-domestic-workers-labor-massachusetts
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/au-pair-program-abuse-state-department-214956/
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/02/the-au-pair-system-is-broken-we-dont-need-to-expand-it.html
PPA - E7 - Love, That's America w/ Laura Squirrel
Long delayed recording and now long delayed upload. Brandon and Jennifer were both somehow on vacation at the same time, then I was down for the count with intestinal issues, then Jennifer and I both had COVID, then I was down with intestinal issues again... and then they returned again after recording.
But, here we are. As previously discussed here and in our 2015 documentary about her Indiana Noise Fest, I met Laura in 2015 because of said noise festival. She came out to me as a trans woman a couple years ago, but it was my understanding although she's transitioned she wasn't really into talking about it. Now with everything going on, she is.
Shit's bleak right now, particularly for trans people and especially trans kids. Laura talks about coming out and transitioning in her late 20s and the struggles she had between realizing what was going on as a child and being up against an unforgiving culture and confused family. She recounts it all with empathy and humor.
Recording was wonky this time, but I have plans to deal with it in the future as I'm hopefully more healthy and capable of sitting for long periods of time. Sorry if the references go over your head.
As always, you can check out Laura's work on Bandcamp.
http://highschoolradiosubversionnetwork.bandcamp.com
http://ghostsofdeadtables.bandcamp.com
PPA - E6 - Physics, Noise, & Legal Trouble with Tripp Nasty
Tripp Nasty takes us deep into the strange and scary world of Denver's alt music scene. Tripp discusses his history as a computer programmer(??) and future physicist(???) before recently going for his masters in accounting(????) all while developing a deep appreciation of sound and Moog's synthesizers. He also talks about landing in jail for two days during the pandemic (?????) and a Denver industrial band that landed in jail themselves after a prolonged harassment campaign of Tripp and other local musicians that involved fake tours, tear gas, and home break-ins(?????????????).
Because Tripp's connections in the underground run deep and Brandon and I already name drop so many bands that range in obscurity, I've included short clips interspersed and laid under as bed music throughout the episode for some additional context for people like Jennifer.
The episode opens with Tripp Nasty's "Western Pride" and closes with "On a Snowy Afternoon," both off his recent album Making the Pythons Dance. Other clips in order of appearance include Shonen Knife, the Disco Biscuits, Echo Beds, William Basinski, Sun City Girls, Crash Worship, James Chance & the Contortions, Yonatan Gat and the Eastern Medicine Singers, Harry Pussy, Tripp Nasty's "Snowy Afternoon," the Forbidden Planet soundtrack, Delia Derbyshire, various modular synth clips from Tripp Nasty Sounds on Instagram, Ezra Buchla, and more from Tripp Nasty Sounds. I'm not gonna post song titles since I'm not trying to get us unlisted.
You can find Tripp Nasty on his website, his bandcamp, and twitter.
Jennifer C. Martin also has a new fiction piece up influenced by her new relationship. Give that a read at Olney Magazine.
PPA - E5 - The Suspicious Mind of Robert Skvaria
The opening track is a bootleg recording of the Elvis impersonator fronted British Nirvana tribute act, Elvana. Enjoy.
Today's guest is writer and conspiracy theorist aficionado Robert Skvaria. He helps us parse out the difference in approach between right-wing (bullshit) and left-wing (mostly true) conspiracies. We talk about Alex Jones, the CIA, FBI, and how religion both factors into different conspiracies and can be victimized by political conspiracies. It occurs to me now that we failed to ask him about Elvis. Maybe next time.
You can find Robert's writing on his blog, http://www.mondoamericana.net or you can follow him on Twitter @RobertSkvarlia, where he's much more prolific.
If you want to watch all 10 minutes of Alex Jones's stand up routine and the ensuing 20 minutes of Doug Stanhope trying to control the audience, you can watch the Incident In Austin bootleg on YouTube.
PPA - E4 - In the Mood for CinePunk Joshua Alvarez
This podcast is called Platonic Polyamory now.
For this episode Jennifer wanted Josh to pick out a movie for us to watch and discuss, but Josh didn't want to so I lied and said he picked Chungking Express because I knew she'd love it. And she did. Anyway, we tried to do the whole movie podcast thing like Cinepunx does but none of us are motivated or structured enough to actually plan something like that so we just fizzled out and talked about different forms of polyamory again. You can see the wild chart Jennifer references here: https://i.redd.it/jzlw4prhumv81.jpg
Then we talked to Josh Alvarez for an hour about his various projects including his main band, Crossed Keys, which features at least one legendary (according to Brandon) hardcore musician, his podcast CinePunx, all of which he'd apparently prefer quit in favor of doing heroin.
Episode opens with Crossed Keys' "Times of Grace" and ends with "Jeff Pelly vs. The Empire"
Check out more from Crossed Keys here: https://crossedkeys.bandcamp.com/
See and here more from CinePunx here: https://cinepunx.com
I don't know if you can still find his "Morrissey is a Racist" t-shirt anywhere.
Fun talk. Cool band. Great t-shirt.
PPA - E3 - Walt Disney Presents "Colin"
We're joined by Jennifer's ex-boyfriend CA Pinkham. We mostly talk about 90s toys and Walt Disney. Follow Colin on twitter @EyePatchGuy
And friend me on Pokemon Go 6838 4763 3649
PPA - E2 - Your Music Sucks w/ Laura Squirrel
An Undressing Underground regular joins us this week to explain noise music to Jennifer and the Get Along Gang (and her fan fiction about it) to all of us. We also talk about Anal Cunt (Jennifer's new favorite band), Eric Clapton, obscure midwest noise acts we know personally, Jennifer's OnlyFans and the paupers that patronize it, Joyful Noise Records, and whatever Laura's tangents are about.
Features music by Laura's noise acts, Ghosts of Dead Tables and Kathy's Special Brownies as well as some clips of Anal Trump and Get Thalz's Harsh Noise Synth Generator, "TRAUMA."
https://highschoolradiosubversionnetwork.bandcamp.com
https://ghostsofdeadtables.bandcamp.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaQ-qa2f0hQ&t=58s
https://analtrump.bandcamp.com
Want to be a guest? We'll talk to whoever. Just message Jennifer on OnlyFans.
https://linktr.ee/jennifercmartin
Platonic Polyamory - E1 - Cat Eyes
The first episode of our new series, Platonic Polyamory. Some guy named Josh that follows Jennifer on Twitter tells us about the Christian lore permeating throughout the Insane Clown Posse's music.
We also discuss the ethics of talking during previews, places Jennifer and Brandon have had sex, annoying poly identities, stuff our exes are sending each other money for on Venmo because they haven't removed us as friends, and we watch planes land in LA for a little bit.
RJS - E2 - Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers
We discus Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers. Also shortwave radio and some other stuff I can't remember.
Don't forget to subscribe to Jennifer's newsletter, the Dirtbag Christian, and her baking themed Only Fans, Let's Have a Three Way.
The Royal Jenstones - E1 - Genesis
New conversation. About the bible. Cause Jennifer's reading it. And writing about it.
Read that here:
https://dirtbagchristian.substack.com
Cease & Desistmas 2021
We're back for the nth semi-annual Cease & Desistmas. This year Jill plays some traditional carols, a Pakistani Christmas song, and some space bullshit while I play a handful of selections from a Christmas cassette zine from an obscure 70s collective in LA, and once again Josh dredges up the most horrific bullshit on the internet with a couple of solid tracks intermixed.
Merry Christmas, please don't sue me. Educational purposes only, etc.
Episode 21 - Alvin Lucier is Lying in a Box
Alvin Lucier died the day we recorded this. I explain his seminal piece... poorly. Then we listen to the first episode as played from Brandon's computer, picked up by his mic, and then recorded from my computer speakers with my mic. As always with this episode, taking the wrong lessons from avant garde greats. We're never gonna get that CIA seed money.
In keeping with the spirit of this episode, here's what Wikipedia says about Lucier.
Alvin Augustus Lucier Jr. (May 14, 1931 – December 1, 2021) was an American composer of experimental musicand sound installations that explore acoustic phenomena and auditory perception. A long-time music professor at Wesleyan University in Middletown, Connecticut, Lucier was a member of the influential Sonic Arts Union, which included Robert Ashley, David Behrman, and Gordon Mumma. Much of his work is influenced by science and explores the physical properties of sound itself: resonance of spaces, phase interference between closely tuned pitches, and the transmission of sound through physical media.
WAPIAR - E20 - EsperantNO/Ni podkastas en ĉambro
Ni tradukis la skripton en Esperanton kaj legis ĝin fonetike. Ĝi estis torturo. Absoluta fika torturo. Mi neniam volas fari ion tian denove. Ĝi igis min bedaŭri komenci ĉi tiun podkaston en la unua loko. Kia ab.
WAPIAR - E19 - Yabba Dabba Dune
Talking about 9/11, Halloween, pooping in the woods, addiction, Princess Diana, the 90s Flinstones movies, cooking shows, polyamory, and whether this is the most nihilistic podcast there is.
Don't forget to check out Jennifer's linktree: https://linktr.ee/jennifercmartin
Also Brandon and I have a spooky and absurd radio play we put out digitally and on bootleg cassette: https://grayromantics.bandcamp.com/album/havana-syndrome
WAPIAR - E18 - Ladies & Gentlemen, The Smudge
Brandon, Jennifer, and Rob are joined by absurdly prolific noise/vaporwave/pluderphonics/rock/hiphop/blues/satire/neoclassical musician, poet, video game scorer, and recent documentary filmmaker, The Smudge. We brought him on to talk some shit, but mostly to score our 18th recital. I don't know what else to say. He likes french fries and Slavoj Žižek.
If you like anything you hear, you can probably find 500 albums like it and 1500 others nothing like it at http://thesmudge.bandcamp.com
While you're clicking around, also check out Jennifer's new linktree: https://linktr.ee/jennifercmartin
Jennifer loves to talk shit about herself and how she's not as cool as Brandon and me, but doesn't she generally and consistently live the most interesting life of the three of us?
WAPIAR - E17 - SORRY
I fucked up. I accidentally turned off the recording for Brandon and Jennifer for about 10 minutes toward the end while Brandon was still reading. To make up for it I spliced in their mics from another episode to compliment my bare recording of myself and also threw in some audio of me taking a lovely little walk through New Brunswick this past Mother's Day.
WAPIAR - E16 - Impossible Dog
Rob's turn.
WAPIAR - E15 - Bullshit, mostly
Probably the most pointlessly avant garde episode yet. We talk about Afghanistan, then Jennifer recites the entire episode while Brandon plays music and I breathe and try to communicate with him over her, then we talk about Bukowski.
WAPIAR - E14 - FUCK
Fuck.
WAPIAR - E13 - Rat Race
We raced each other to see who could read our own parts first. Mostly we talked about cancel culture and capitalism. Brandon's got a cool mic. I talk over Jennifer a lot but try to give her room to speak.
WAPIAR - E12 - Speaking of William S Burroughs...
I was hospitalized and am still sick, so that's why this is late. Sorry to the recurring 5 listeners.
WAPIAR - E11 - William S Burroughs
I've got nothing else to say. You know more or less what this show is now if you've heard any other episode.
WAPIAR - E10 - Irreversible
The gang reads a bunch of words off a page.
WAPIAR - E9 - Leon's Getting Larger
Hey, we're back! This time I'm Jennifer, Jennifer's Brandon, and Brandon's me! Hoorah! Apparently most people that listen to this don't realize that it's the same episode every time. So, yes, this is our 8th time reading the transcription I wrote of the first episode, which was not scripted. Enjoy. Or don't. We talk about some other stuff too. Still not sure where this is going, but it's going there. All the way. Baby. Driver. Let's have a panic attack together.