The Out of the Cave Podcast

Lisa describes an online incident, “Eyebrow Gate”, where a video mocking her eyebrows went viral, leading to a flood of negative comments and harassment across various platforms, including Instagram, email, and even her personal cell phone.

Topics Include:

• Online Harassment

• Resilience

• Self-Compassion and Support

• Personal Growth and Healing

[3:00] Lisa discusses what happened in the events that led to Eyebrow Gate and her experience of it. 

[14:10] Lisa then discusses what she did, how she moved through the experience of being harassed online, and her coping strategies. Lisa talks about feeling her feelings, not stopping herself from experiencing them. She talks about navigating her feelings with embarrassment and finally accepting them through all of this. She discusses the support system she had in her friends and the self-compassion she showed herself during this time.

[33:05] Lisa shares her takeaways and reflections from going through the whole experience. Lisa talks about the things people said that were meant to be supportive but only made her feel not seen and the things she wished they had said instead. She discusses her experience dealing with her inner child in a compassionate way and how we should always show ourselves kindness and compassion.

[48:45] Lisa concludes with sharing the next steps for herself now that she is on the other side of the harassment. She explains how she is proceeding as the person she wishes to be and is operating under that persona.

Lisa interviews Erin, OOTC group coaching alum, an animal loving veterinarian who, through the group coaching program, has achieved significant personal growth and changes in a matter of months, which years of therapy couldn’t achieve. She also has learned to accept herself and has a community of acceptance without judgment allowing her to finally have a feeling of safety.

Topics Include:

• Early Struggles with Food and Body Image
• Body Image and Self-Worth
• Eating Disorder and Mental Health
• Personal Growth and Healing Journey

[3:00] Erin discusses the early stages of life, from ages 0-5 and 5-10, and the lack of significant issues with food or body image. However, from ages 5-10, she started receiving messages about being too big and weighing too much, primarily after pediatrician appointments, leading to a restricted diet by her mother

[11:00] Erin shares her decision to lose weight before starting high school by counting calories and increasing physical activity and how this weight loss led to a boost in self-esteem and more attention from her peers

[14:00] Erin goes on to discuss how the loss of her first relationship led to feeling of inadequacy and how comments about her body affected her self-image and ultimately the beginning of her experience with bulimia 

[37:00] Erin and Lisa discuss Erin’s belief that being thinner would lead to happiness and fulfillment persisted until finally admitting to her husband that she had a problem and made the commitment to seek therapy and work on recovery

[40:11] Erin recounts finding the OOTC podcast and how Lisa’s approach deeply resonated with her and made her feel understood and less alone; after two years of listening to the podcast and following Lisa on social media, Erin decided to join the group coaching program

[46:00] Erin and Lisa discuss the importance of recognizing one’s worth and deservingness of healing, love, safety, and stability in life, body, and relationship with food

[50:03] Erin closes out with her gratitude that through the group coaching program has found a community of accepting and non-judgmental people where she can be vulnerable 

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Join Lisa as she talks to Out of the Cave group coaching alum, Muna. Topics include: Muna's journey from childhood to adolescence, exploring her evolving relationship with food, body image, cultural influences, and the change in family dynamics. The conversation continues as Muna describes her experiences with disordered eating, specifically bingeing, purging, and later developing a restrictive relationship with food, intertwined with addictive marijuana use. Muna describes how a mountain biking accident led to a period of grief and loss of identity, triggering binge eating as a coping mechanism. This behavior persisted into early adulthood, alongside struggles with depression and insomnia. Muna talks about finding relief from insomnia through marijuana use, which then evolved into an addictive coping mechanism. Muna describes receiving praise for weight loss, leading to a restrictive relationship with food out of fear of losing attention gained from weight loss. Muna recalls how this cycle persisted for decades, and how even though she was maintaining a successful outward appearance, she was struggling internally with disordered eating and addiction. Muna discusses how she experienced addiction transfer and cross addiction, moving from one addictive behavior to another without addressing the underlying issues. Lisa and Muna continue the discussion with Muna’s relapse during the pandemic and her new road to recovery. Muna discusses the significance of grief work in her personal growth and recovery and how it is an essential aspect of healing. Muna also shares free recovery resources. Lisa and Muna wrap up the conversation with a discussion of the importance of community and how it makes a difference in recovery and how the OOTC group coaching program helped bring that to her.

In part 4 of the conversation around intentional weight loss, Lisa shares vulnerably about the nonlinear journey she is on personally.

Topics Include:

• The balance between being intuitive and planning when it comes to food and eating

• Alcohol and weight loss

• Taking a break from the priority of weight loss

• PMS and body image

• Seeking external validation/safety while losing weight through other people and the scale

• Relapse

[4:10] Lisa shares her personal dos and don’ts when it comes to intentionally losing weight

[40:00] Lisa talks about what is has been like for her practically and real life on her nonlinear journey of weight loss, including a relapse where she began to use food and other behaviors to cope with her emotions again

[55:00] “Getting back on the wagon,” the Out of the Cave way aka “The Order of Operations,” of Intentional Weight Loss

[1:07] Ancestral and generational trauma

Lisa sits down to share with you what has been dubbed the (second) most important episode of the Out of the Cave Podcast ever.

Topics Include:

• Feeling shamed for wanting to lose weight

• Connection to your body as it exists presently

• Creating a calorie deficit and your brain feeling safe 

• How to set realistic expectations around weight loss

[5:00] Lisa shares the definition of freedom and how freedom or a lack of feeling of freedom affects weight loss

[9:00] Moving through the discomfort in not being where you used to be 

[18:00] The impact of saying, “I have to…” and the power of language on a weight loss journey

[33:00] The ease of gaining weight vs the ease of losing weight and having realistic expectations around weight loss

[48:30] Checking your mindset around saying, “I am on a weight loss journey,” and whether that feels empowering or disempowering

[52:00] Honoring your body and not eating like a robot 

[57:00] Lisa shares an experience she had while personal training and studying integrative nutrition

Lisa sits down with Mordechai who has maintained an over 100 pound weight loss through the Gabriel Method, to talk about life after initial weight loss success.

Topics Include:

• Being a “success” story

• The Gabriel Method

• Mindful emotional eating

• Dealing with cravings

[3:30] Mordechai talks about going on stage to represent a weight loss success story only to get off stage and eat pastries

[8:00] Mordechai shares what his relationship to food, eating, and body image was like before his weight loss and what was different when he found The Gabriel Method and how he handles emotional eating today

[16:00] Mordechai tells us how he learned to feel feelings and shares strategies to move through emotion

[29:00] Mordechai talks about the two different ball games that weight loss vs maintenance

[38:00] Mordechai explains how the way he maintains his weight loss is different than being on a diet, restricting, or participating in diet culture

Feeling Full Podcast

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

In this solo episode, Lisa talks about her approach to her current intentional weight loss on both the emotional and physical dimension.

Topics Include:

• Acceptance on a somatic level

• Embodying a sense of safety in your current body

• Emotional sobriety 

• Withdrawal 

[6:00] Lisa discusses her belief system around weight loss

[17:00] Lisa talks addressing emotional issues with emotional solutions and physical issues with physical solutions

[30:00] Lisa gives suggestions of things to implement into your self-care routine before attempting intentional weight loss, and talks about not bringing certain foods in the house, and practicing emotional sobriety

[59:00] Lisa reveals what did to do to intentionally lose weight on the physical dimension

[1:20:00] Lisa explains practicing high involvement, low attachment around weight loss

In this solo episode, Lisa talks about her recent weight gain and how she is meeting herself on the mental and emotional dimension before addressing weight loss on the physical level.

Topics Include:

• Lisa’s opinion on trigger warnings + the research

• Weight gain

• Internal vs External motivation for weight loss

• The scale

• Mind-Body approach to weight loss

[3:30] Lisa delivers an announcement about changes to the Out of the Cave Podcast as we approach 100th episode 

Lisa sits down for part two of her conversation with Alison Midollo, HHC, RYT, to talk about how reparenting, feeling feelings, and allowing all parts of herself transformed her relationship to food and eating.

Topics Include:

• Eliminating food groups in the name of health

• Precontemplation phase of making change

• Conscious input shaping your experience

• Reparenting around food

• Discomfort vs Danger

• Metaphysical and spiritual healing

[5:00] Alison recounts her own early memories around food and eating from birth and reflects on the effect of  puberty on that relationship and her body image

[11:00] Alison embraces medical advice and removes gluten totally from her diet as a young teen and continues to eliminate other types of food from her diet over the years 

[23:00] After living with limitations around what she can and cannot eat for a decade and a half, Alison shares what happened to make her shift her beliefs and practices around food

[32:00] Alison tells the story of deciding to have a cheeseburger after 5 years of being meat free and the meaning she made of the experience and transpired after

[56:00] Alison talks about the mental work, reparenting, and rewiring she had to do while reintegrating food groups into her diet, with the understanding that it was not about the food and Lisa relates this practice to those that are healing around overeating, undereating, restriction, mindless eating, picky eating, etc

[1:09:00] Alison shares the influence her relationship with Lisa and Out of the Cave has had on her healing and journey of reparenting herself

[1:18:00] Alison teaches about the root chakra and the metaphysical level on which we heal and shares where she is with food and eating today

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Lisa sits down with her colleague and bestie, Alison Midollo, HHC, RYT, to talk reparenting, feeling feelings, and allowing all parts of yourself.

Topics Include:

• Avoiding big feelings

• Spiritual Bypassing

• Restraint and discipline from a place of love

• Unmuting the inner child 

[14:00] Alison talks about the internal shift that allows her to sit with and feel her darker parts and tell the truth about it and reflects on her past and describes the ways she would resist and avoid uncomfortable feelings

[25:00] Lisa and Alison speak to the concept and Alison’s experience of spiritual bypassing 

[32:00] Alison reflects on her journey of leaning on social connection and relationships to avoid feelings of stress, to being an observer of that practice, to giving those feelings and emotions the opportunity to speak to her

[55:00] Alison describes a visual where she in parenting her inner children and parts and how she interacts with parts when she does not have time and space to hear them out in the moment

[1:15:00] Alison talks about practicing self-care throughout the day, while we carry out our responsibilities and how live in harmony with our emotional selves and spiritual selves

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Lisa interviews Kasey, self-identified, normal girl from New York, and group coaching alum Kasey, about trying to find safety and validation in a body shape and size to moving to a truer embodiment of internal safety.

Topics Include:

• Thin privilege 

• Feeling superior

• Internal vs External Validation

• Body Dysmorphia

[7:30] Kasey reflects on how “being small” was rewarded was just the norm that was strived from such a young age

[15:00] Kasey and Lisa explore how Kasey felt most safe when she believed people were feeling jealous of her and moving through the shame that came with that realization

[27:00] Kasey shares about her all or nothing relationship with diet and exercise and alcohol during her college years

[31:00] Kasey gets shredded during Covid lockdown and would look in the mirror and only see what “wasn’t good enough” and finds Lisa while walking the line of disorder 

[43:00] Kasey joins group coaching and reconstructs what it means to be healthy and also feels seen and validated in a way she had not experienced before

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Lisa sits down with 14-Week Group Coaching alum, pharmacist, and single mom by choice Erica, to talk about how trauma, grief, and loss, collided with early motherhood and the Covid19 pandemic. She shares how she unconsciously turned to food and experienced rapid weight gain coupled with shame and found Out of the Cave and was able to understand her experience and heal.

Topics Include:

• 90s and early 2000s diet culture

• Picky eating

• Trauma, grief and loss and its impact on our relationship to food

• Operating in survival mode

• Releasing shame and self-blame

• Neurobiology

[3:30] Erica looks back on her earliest memories around food and eating and the effect of being a Black ballet dancer and cheerleader on her body image

[20:00] Erica remembers being a teen and wanting to be in a smaller body and grappling with fitting in as Black AP student and goes into life as a broke college student, experiencing high levels of stress and experiencing clinical depression

[30:00] Erica shares when food, eating, and body image really became a top of mind issue for her as she walked a path toward parenthood through donor conception and attempting different diets with a toxic partner

[36:00] Erica gives birth to twins boys as a single mom by choice right before the Covid19 pandemic and simultaneously her sister was battling an aggressive cancer and life as she knew it was pulled from under her and turns to food, and beats herself up for her lack of willpower

[40:00] Erica finds Lisa and Out of the Cave and shares the freedom of letting go of the story that she is “A lazy piece of sh*t” and shares how the work has positively impacted her sons and the culture of food and eating 

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Lisa sits down with Elyse Schunkewitz, LCSW again. This time the roles are reversed and Elyse interviews Lisa about the personal, educational, and professional experiences that have shaped the Out of the Cave Group Coaching Program and discuss how Lisa serves her clients.

Topics Include:

• The difference between Out of the Cave and eating disorder treatment

• The Binge Restrict Cycle

• Body Image

• Confidence vs Self-Esteem

• Systemic Oppression and Thin Privilege 

[2:30] Lisa explains how she developed the philosophy that her group coaching program is built upon and shares the influences that has brought her to where she is today, including her lived experience, education and relationships she has built throughout the years

[14:00] Lisa shares what it means to work with her as a client inside the 14 week group coaching container

[23:10] Lisa gives her thoughts on intuitive eating, anti-diet culture, and eating disorder treatment

[42:00] Lisa dives deeper into what she means when she says, “I help people release the addiction of the illusion of control around their bodies.”

[52:00] Elyse and Lisa discuss the dichotomy of confidence and self-esteem 

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Lisa sits down with group coaching alum and aftercare member, Jenny, to talk about how before we were able to identify “diet culture,” it was just the way we were raised and socialized and how she was able to see the light and ultimately come out of the cave. 

Topics:

• Puberty and body image

• 90s diet culture trends 

• Emotional eating

• The “drug” of weight loss compliments

• Internal Family Systems

[5:00] Jenny reflects on her early memories around food and eating, how the her mother talked about dieting and her own body and how puberty began to impact her relationship to eating and body image

[22:00] Jenny talks about her early 20s and how she used the persona as the very smart, funny, fat friend as a protective factor as she struggled with her body image, all while her parents divorced, her mother battled addiction, and she now had a baby brother and was responsible for his safety, and looked to food for comfort

[33:00] Jenny discusses the impact of being told she is pre-diabetic by a doctor and pursuing weight loss, and subsequent swings in her weight for the next ten years and what ultimately made her decide to step away from dieting and seek therapy

[42:00] Jenny finds the Health at Every Size and Intuitive Eating movements and started exploring the emotional component of her own eating and ultimately collides with Lisa and Out of the Cave

[1:02:00] Jenny shares her biggest takeaways from group coaching

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Lisa sits down with Out of the Cave Coach, Alé Cardinalle, MSW to talk about how practicing baby led weaning with her son and feeding her family has given her own healing journey around food and eating an ultra boost.

Topics Include: Reparenting ourselves around food and eating Baby Led Weaning  The Division of Responsibility The healing power of love [3:00] Alé reflects on learning about the concept of reparenting in terms of food and eating for the first time and how that laid the foundation for her healing around food and eating [8:00] Alé shares about baby led weaning her son [17:00] Lisa explains Ellen Satter’s, Division of Responsibility [25:00] Alé talks about how her own relationship to food and eating has been impacted by watching her son interact with food and eating  [1:00:00] Lisa and Alé discuss blocking out all the messages and “shoulds” around diet and landing in the middle of pendulum

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Lisa sits down with Eleni Agresta, MS RDN, weight inclusive, registered dietician to talk about the field of nutrition, where it’s missing the mark, and how to find a practitioner that’s right for you. 

Topics Include:

• Childhood diet trauma

• The effect of restrictive dieting on the mind-body system 

• Fatphobia

• Weight vs Health

[4:00] Eleni talks about her personal story regarding food, eating, body image, and stress  that led her to serving her clients in the way she does

[15:00] Lisa and Eleni discuss the division of responsibility and advice for parents when it comes to feed, eating, and body topics in the 

[26:00] Eleni speaks to some of the issues in the nutrition field regarding its eurocentricity and how that has impacted how she has educated herself and how she interacts with her clients and why she no longer preaches intentional weight loss

[38:00] Lisa and Eleni talk about the damage that dieting and rapid weight loss did on their own hunger and fullness cues and their own methods for eating when they’re hungry

[50:00] Eleni and Lisa discuss where they believe the intuitive eating movement, and some of the coaches miss the mark and how they approach things a bit differently

[57:00] Eleni speaks to how she approaches potential clients with the goal of intentional weight loss and discusses prioritizing health over weight

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Lisa sits down with group coaching alum, and Marriage and Family Therapist, D, for the second time on the pod to discuss scarcity from an Internal Family Systems perspective.

Topics Include:

• Internal Family Systems

• Turning toward vs turning away

• What it means and doesn’t mean to validate 

• Scarcity vs Abundance, vs “Enoughness”

[5:00] D gives a brief overview of Richard Schwartz’s theory, Internal Family Systems, or IFS, and how the scarcity part of her is interacting with food and eating 

[10:00] Lisa discusses the concept of Nicole Sach’s quote, “Life is a choice between what hurts and what hurts worse,” and “Option 3” 

[19:00] Lisa and D talk about what it looks like to express love to parts of ourselves, like scarcity, who wants what she wants when she wants it, and validate that part even when we don’t agree

[40:00] Lisa and D explain the process they move through to be with themselves when they act out of alignment

[50:00] D and Lisa deep dive on the idea of scarcity and how to be with that feeling

[1:10:00] Lisa and D discuss the belief system of the self (core beliefs) vs beliefs of the parts

[1:20:00] Lisa and D talk about how to meet a part that says, “I am not enough,” or “I don’t belong”

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Lisa sits down with Lara Days, Intuitive Eating Counselor, to have a candid and nuanced conversation about Lara’s perspective on intuitive eating.    

Topics:

• Body image issues born in the pediatrician's office

• The 10 principles of Intuitive eating

• Mythbusting common intuitive eating misconceptions

• The intuitive eating movement’s stance on weight loss

[5:00] Lara tells the story of how she got into the work she does now with her clients and explains why a nutrition certification was not enough on its own

[10:00] Lara and Lisa go down a rabbit hole to discuss the intersection of music and being a musician and working in the health and wellness space

[21:00] Lara reflects on her relationship with her body in childhood and her experience going to the pediatrician as a child small in stature

[31:00] Lara goes into detail about intuitive eating, who her clients are and how she serves them

[41:00] Lisa asks Lara to speak on some questions and concerns she has about intuitive eating as a movement

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Lisa sits down with Marina Yanay-Triner, a coach who uses somatic methods to help people heal the nervous system and founder of the Somashare app, to talk about the practical ways we can regulate and move through emotions.

Topics Include:

• Somatic experiencing

• Internal Family Systems and parts work

• Shifting your nervous system into safety

• Transforming black and white thinking

• Human design

[2:30] Marina talks about the app she created, Somashare, where users are guided tangible practices for the nervous system in real time

[5:30] Marina tells the winding she took that landed her to discover somatics and make it her life’s work

[10:00] Marina explains what has drawn her to working with people and their trauma and triggers and speaks  about her own somatic work 

[21:00] Marina shares what it looks like for her to work through triggers and the questions she asks herself

[29:00] Marina talks about the process and practices she uses for allowing and moving through difficult or triggering emotions

[36:00] Marina speaks to how to know it’s time to rest, or intentionally choose to distract, and when it’s time to be with emotion 

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Lisa sits down with group alum, Linda, to talk about her experience with weight and body image issues during and after pregnancy, the role grief plays in our relationship to food and eating, and the important role the experience of being inside Out of the Cave’s community has brought to her life.

Topics Include:

• Pregnancy and postpartum affecting our relationship to food, eating, and body image

• Yo-yo dieting

• The science of post-diet weight gain

• Grief, loss, and eating

[2:00] Linda outlines the events that led her to join OOTC group coaching and then swings back to childhood and recalls what food, eating, and body image was like throughout the years

[22:00] Linda talks about how her pregnancies and postpartum affected her body and relationship to food and eating 

[37:00] Linda talks about how things have been going for her in the more recent past and the impact of losing her sister and how she found Lisa through Nicole Sachs

[45:00] Linda deeply reflects on the gifts she received from Out of the Cave’s Group Coaching Program

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Lisa sits down with Ruthie Lindsey, speaker, author, coach, and midwife of souls to talk about her history of disordered eating and the tools she’s cultivated and utilizes to come home to herself as often as she needs. 

Topics Include:

• Your story becoming your identity 

• Learning to calm your nervous system

• Shadow and parts work

• Turning toward vs turning away

[5:00] Ruthie gives an overview of her story and her journey of chronic pain that began with being hit by an ambulance at 17 years old and the beliefs she internalized around thinness, beauty, religion, and sexuality

[13:00] Ruthie reflects on the sudden loss of her father and how that allowed her to get life saving surgery and reveals how her pain story allowed her to become who she actually is

[21:00] Ruthie talks about how she came back home to herself and her body after a lifetime of numbing, disconnection, and dissociation and what she practices when the shadows show up  

[42:00] Ruthie remembers what it was like to have a conscious binge 

[50:00] Ruthie talks about her relationship to resistance

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Lisa sits down with influencer, YouTuber, and life coach, Alyse Parker to talk about her expertise on the five survival patterns and how these patterns can play a role in our relationship to food, eating, and our bodies. (Part 2 of 2)

Topics Include:

• Conscious communication

• Conscious parenting 

• Four steps to nonviolent communication

[1:00] Alyse talks about the ways in which we can get back to baseline depending on our survival pattern and how to establish a nourishing self care routine, including around found

[7:00] Alyse speaks to how we internalize our parent figure and take their voice as our own and it becomes woven into our survival pattern

[14:00] Lisa and Alyse discuss allowing other people into the healing process 

[30:00] Alyse shares her knowledge on what it means to express emotional needs and boundaries using conscious communication and what challenges show up in certain patterns

[42:30] Lisa and Alyse discuss how this work can impact child and parent relationships and how Lisa has been able to rewire and heal through relationships in adulthood

[57:00] Alyse speaks to running multiple patterns and having a default pattern and the gifts of each pattern

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Lisa sits down with Tori for a real time heal to address why she has been struggling to accept her own image in the mirror since she was a child.

Topics:

• Living with a parent who is critical of your body 

• Alcohol’s effect on eating

• Grieving the parents we deserved

• Objectifying ourselves and healing body image issues

[6:00] Tori recounts her earliest memories around food, eating, and body image and living with a mom who was a chronic dieter who projected her own insecurities 

[17:00] Tori talks about her relationship with alcohol and how it affected her emotional eating, yo-yo dieting, and the praise she received for rapid weight loss and how she accidentally stumbled upon Lisa’s work

[25:00] Tori reflects on her feelings surrounding the decades of struggle around food, eating, body image, weight loss, and weight gain and her experience at the Cure for Chronic Pain retreat with Nicole Sachs and Lisa

[31:00] Tori confronts where she is now in terms of food and eating and reveals where she is struggling emotionally

[42:00] Lisa begins the coaching session and asks Tori probing questions like what it feels like to look in the mirror and about Tori’s relationship with her parents 

[1:04:00] Tori wonders if she can be a person who has a drink time to time and explores the idea with Lisa

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Lisa sits down with her oldest friend and bestie, Cristina, to talk about how self-described, lifelong skeptic and rejector of all things woo-woo and granola, Cristina, had a spiritual awakening, against her will in a hotel room in Houston, Texas and why it’s all Lisa’s fault.

Topics Include:

• Being a spiritual skeptic to having a spiritual awakening  

• Adverse reaction to cannabis 

• Experiencing severe panic attacks

• The power of breath work

• Healing inside safe relationships

[5:00] Cristina and Lisa share their connection surrounding their early belief system (or lack thereof) around spirituality and where they diverged into two completely different directions

[10:00] Cristina talks about experiencing anxiety and depression before having a name for what she was feeling

[25:00] Lisa and Cristina tell the story of their girls’ trip gone very wrong 

[43:00] Lisa and Cristina recount Lisa coaching Cristina through a panic attack and that event became a pivotal moment in Cristina’s life

Lisa sits down with Mourad, who, like Lisa, has sustained an over 100 pound weight loss for over a decade, to talk about his passion: the role of the mind in long term, sustainable weight loss.

Topics Include:

• The Gabriel Method

• Childhood trauma and weight gain

• The role of acceptance in transformation

• Self Inquiry

[7:00] Mourad shares how food became comfort at 5 years old, after being separated from his mother, and how people’s reaction his his eating exacerbated his struggle

[13:30] Lisa explains “The Volleyball Effect”

[15:00] Mourad reveals how he stumbled upon the Gabriel Method after yo-yo dieting and begins a meditation practice, and explains what his transformation entailed 

[24:00] Lisa and Mourad discuss how the energy they brought to their weight loss made it very different than a diet, despite some of the actions on the surface looking like dieting

[33:00] Mourad shares his thoughts on how to get to a place of acceptance and acceptance as a practice

[42:00] Mourad explains his belief that the mental aspect of maintaining his weight loss is more important than what he does on the physical level

[54:00] Lisa and Mourad talk about moving from perfectionism and over control to aiming for a state of flow

[1:03:00] Mourad responds to those that would say long term, sustainable weight loss is not possible

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Lisa sits down with fellow personal trainer turned social worker, Elyse Schunkewitz, LCSW, to talk about why and how they’ve both moved from more traditional modalities of therapy to improving their own lives and the lives of their clients with an integrative, mind-body-soul approach.

Topics Include:

• Western medicine vs holistic healing 

• Pathologizing the human experience

• Functional neuroscience

• Rejection therapy

[2:00] Elyse talks about her early career in a psychiatric emergency room in a public New York City hospital and how leaving that job and her own healing and weaning off a plethora of psychotropic medications led her to a career of helping other people feel amazing from a mind-body-brain lens

[15:00] Elyse and Lisa share their experiences as clinical social workers and clients themselves, practicing in modalities they were trained in and have an awakening that these traditional approaches did not honor clients as mind-body-soul systems

[33:00] Elyse shares specifically what she learned that changed the orientation in which she sees the world and helps her clients heal

[43:00] Elyse reveals the power of not being afraid to fail and what it unlocked in her life

Lisa sits down with Laura, an Out of the Cave Podcast listener who’s life and mind-body-soul system was turned upside down after an accident. Laura details the road in which being hit by a drunk drunk driver led her out of the cave and into a life of recovery.

Topics:

• Grief and loss in childhood and the impact on the family system

• Dieting beginning in childhood and continuing for decades

• Toxic diet and fitness culture of the 80s

• Linking chronic pain and our relationship with food and body image

[6:30] Laura tells her story of how she went from being a physical therapist who believed she had a solid understanding of the body, to her whole mind-body system being turned upside down after a serious car accident involving a drunk driver, to fighting a battle to heal her chronic pain and mental health, and how it all ultimately led her to realizations about food and eating and Out of the Cave

[12:30] Laura talks about her early relationship to food, eating, and body image and growing up bigger and taller than the other kids and the impact of her losing her father at 8 years old

[27:00] Laura talks about getting on the “anti-diet bandwagon” after dieting on and off for decades and where both she and Lisa believes it’s lacking

[32:00] Laura reflects on pregnancy and motherhood and its effect on her relationship with food and eating and when her daughter got older Laura is ready to focus on herself and then is in a horrible car accident

[40:00] Laura finds Curable and finds initial success and explains why and how she dove so much deeper into “the work” and how she came to link her chronic pain to her relationship with food, eating, and body image

[1:00:00] Laura talks about living in the gray, the ongoing process of healing, and embodying acceptance

Lisa sits down with hypnotherapist, Lynnsey Robinson, who helps people rewire their mind to overcome limiting beliefs and believe what they want to believe.

Topics Include:

• Limiting Beliefs

• Expansive vs contracting fear

• Shaping the metaphysical mind

• Hypnotherapy

• Self Love

[8:30] Lynnsey shares the wild story that led to her path of hypnotherapy

[26:30] Lynnsey reflects on her spiritual background starting in childhood, not connecting with her religious upbringing

[35:30] Lynnsey explains how the parts of the metaphysical mind, how it develops and is conditioned, and how we process information and accessing the subconscious mind through hypnotherapy to achieve your goals

[51:30] Lynssey gives her opinion, ideas, and tips for self hypnosis 

[1:11:00] Lynssey addresses myths surrounding hypnosis 

Lisa sits down with group alum Phoebe, who unlike most OOTC-ers never identified as an emotional eater nor restrictive dieter, but came to the work battling intense anxiety and body image issues.

Topics Include:

• Anxiety beginning in childhood

• Early body image messages

• Self Injury

• Living a life in recovery

[8:30] Phoebe recalls her childhood anxiety and having body image challenges very early, hitting puberty early, and being very tall

[20:30] Phoebe delves further into what she went through mentally and physically during puberty and being a young athlete and her history of self injury

[40:00] Phoebe recounts what she went through as a high school freshman in a relationship with a senior and the impact that had on subsequent relationships

[45:00] Phoebe talks about being a college athlete with crippling social anxiety who didn’t drink because her boyfriend didn’t want her to

[52:00] Phoebe pursues a career in physical therapy and finds Lisa through Nicole Sachs and shares some of her most valuable takeaways

Lisa answers listener questions.

Topics Include:

• The intersection of diet and chronic pain

• Dealing with weight gain due to recovery

• Childhood obesity and the ACE study

[4:00] Q1: Listener begins by providing background about being bigger than the other women in her family and that feeling unacceptable growing up. She goes on to describe chronic pain symptoms that were quelled by an extremely restrictive diet protocol prescribed by medical providers, which led to weight loss and a sense of pride and belonging. Now she is trying to expand her diet and feel safe around a wider variety of food, while dealing with subsequent weight gain and fear around that. Listener asks Lisa for feedback and insight.

[30:00] Q2: Lisa is asked to speak to the American Association of Pediatrics guidelines that suggest medication and surgery may be appropriate for some obese children depending on age

[51:00] Lisa provides final thoughts and explains what it means to turn towards versus turning away from what is hard, painful, etc.

Lisa sits down with best-selling author, transformational facilitator, podcaster, and blogger, Kelsey Aida to talk about what it means to embody radical self-love.

• Healing the emotional body

• Eliminating unnecessary suffering

• Facing ALL feelings

• Compassionate Inquiry

• Parts Work

[5:30] Kelsey describes her first spiritual awakening and dark night of the soul and how that launched her into her purpose

[10:40] Kelsey describes her depressive episode and shares how she healed her emotional body

[20:00] The healing power of being brave enough to feel your own emotions and outlines how to live your best life

[32:00] Kelsey talks about how she helps her clients release resistance and not be ruled by fear and the importance of embodying authenticity

[50:00] Being resistant to the “good stuff” and befriending your anxiety and embracing all your parts

*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.

Lisa sits down with group coaching alum, Jamie, to talk about her experience growing up as a kid who was bigger than the others and who went on to numb, run, disassociate, and self-soothe with food, alcohol, and sex, and what life is like now, out of the cave.

Topics:

• Growing up chubby
• Using food, alcohol, sex, all the things to self-soothe
• Practicing non-judgment and choosing love over fear

[3:10] Jamie looks back on her early memories around food and body image and being bigger than the other kids and the majors changes in her young life that led her to eat to feel better

[16:00] Jamie reflects on puberty and the impact identifying herself as “fat” perpetuated her use of food and then the impact having her first boyfriend had on her relationship with food

[27:00] Jamie goes to college and diets and exercises and gets lots of male attention and her complicated relationship with alcohol begins and impacts her academic experience

[32:00] Jamie faces unspeakable tragedy and continues to yo-yo diet through her 20s and her struggles with both alcohol and food collide

[48:00] Jamie's weight continues to climb as she tries counteract her emotional eating with diets and working out in hopes of belonging, and then identifies herself as an emotional eater and looks at her relationship with alcohol during the height of Covid

[58:00] Jamie shares the cosmic shifts she has experienced since going through group coaching

Lisa sits down with group coaching alum Theresa for a live coaching session about maintaining a life of recovery.

Topics:

• Disordered behaviors versus thoughts
• Grieving option 3
• Maintaining recovery
• Presence

[5:00] Theresa shares that she has stopped behaviors that caused her seek out help through the group coaching program, and reveals her current pain point

[16:00] Theresa explains her inner dialogue when she catches a herself having thought about “needing” to change her body

[30:00] Lisa and Theresa talk about using personification of thoughts as a coping skill

[35:00] Theresa remembers a story where she called on the spiritual part of herself that is not caught up in the thoughts, beliefs, stories and even the functions of the human body

[45:00] Lisa shares her path and story about early eating disorder recovery

[55:00] Theresa talks about her thoughts and behaviors after receiving chocolate covered strawberries as a gift

Out of the Cave Offerings:

Lisa sits down with group coaching alum, Theresa, as she bravely shares her life story and the ways in which eating and dieting are interwoven in the highest and lowest points.

Topics Include:

• Moral value and rigid restrictions being put on food during childhood
• Being a parentified child
• Shame after the diet “fails”
• Finding comfort and control in both food and dieting

[5:00] Theresa reflects on her earliest memories around food, eating, and body image and when things went from “normal” to more difficult and describes the rules that were imposed on what was and wasn’t allowed when it came to food

[13:00] Theresa remembers family members worrying that she was getting fat during early puberty and put on her first diet

[18:30] Theresa reflects on getting her first job and having money for the first time and how that impacted her relationship with food and experiences a dichotomy of thrill and intense guilt and what it meant to be in high school believing she was fat

[29:30] Theresa opens up about her relationship with her mom and how Theresa’s brother’s death affected the family dynamic and shares how she went on a wildly expensive and restrictive diet as a gift to herself post high school graduation

[35:00] Theresa shares the roll food and body image played in her first romantic relationship and subsequent break up

[42:00] Theresa gets pregnant by her cheating boyfriend and has her first daughter at 23 years old, falls in love with her new role, and gains a lot of weight, and does a diet and finds her baby a dad, moves across the country to run from her daughter’s biological father, and again, gains a lot weight

[49:00] Theresa has two more children, continues to struggle with her weight, finds a church and joins OA and finds community, was very poor and manages to always put on the food table

Lisa sits down, again, with Jenny Campbell, this time to access her knowledge as an enneagram teacher to dive into the types, and Lisa has a live session with Jenny!

• The difference between the enneagram and personality tests
• How to type yourself
• The nine enneagram personality types defined

[1:50] Jenny defines the enneagram and talks about her introduction to the enneagram when she reunited with her birth mother, and how she began training with author’s of enneagram books

[15:00] Jenny goes through the nine types and explains their real quality and false quality

[37:00] Jenny shares what she recommends do’s and don’ts for people who want to learn more about their enneagram personality

[45:00] Lisa shares her experience with the enneagram and Jenny gives her take

Lisa sits down with Jenny, former group coaching client and enneagram teacher, to talk about recovery from dieting addiction.

Topics:

• Body Image
• Dieting Addiction
• The Middle Place between Diet Culture and Anti-Diet Culture
• Our Bodies Becoming What They Are

[5:00] Jenny recalls her earliest memories regarding food, eating, and body image

[19:00] Jenny talks about the bullying she incurred from around ages 10 to 15

[25:30] Jenny remembers when food, eating, body image became an “issue” for her

[28:00] Jenny gains weight her freshman year of college and shares about how she approached losing that weight that marked the beginning of her struggle with yo-yo dieting

[35:00] Jenny reflects on her dieting addiction and shares when things began to shift as she slipped from diet culture into wellness culture and then found herself experiencing chronic pain

[43:00] Jenny talks about diving into anti-diet culture and unpacks her fatphobia and goes on the “Fuck It” Diet and gains 25 pounds, and talks about her difficult and conflicting internal dialogue

[50:00] Jenny looks back on coming to Lisa hoping to work on the anguish she was experiencing around her identity and her body image and talks about where she is now

In this solo episode, Lisa answers listener questions surrounding her 150 pound weight loss.

Topics Include:

• Big T vs little t trauma
• Dieting into disordered eating
• A discussion on “Loving your body”
• Being objectified after weight loss
• Creating an internal environment of safety or danger

[5:00] “I heard you talk about your weight loss as trauma, and I would like you to explain that more. From the outside looking in we see the before and after body that we are secretly, or not so secretly, looking for. It really hit me different to  hear you say, ‘The way I did weight loss was trauma.’”

[27:00] “Is it actually easier to love your body after your weight loss?”

[40:00] “Events on our calendar to motivate us to meet our goals, whether it’s a wedding, a hike, anything to put in the time daily, how does that work in the brain? Happy and safe?”

Lisa interviews her personal trainer, Jess and together they discuss choosing a life of recovery from disordered eating.

Topics Include:

• Restrictive and disordered behaviors around food
• The importance of telling our stories
• Your body being linked to your job
• Pandemic weight gain and feeling safe

[5:10] Jess talks about early childhood in early 90s as it relates to food, eating, exercise, body image, fatphobia, and the diet culture of the time

[13:00] Jess remembers the effect of coming of age and puberty as someone who was constantly praised for being thin and petite

[17:00] Jess discusses the effect of going vegan, saying it was for the earth, but really wanting to have some control, and she consequently loses weight and marks this as the beginning of her struggle with food

[21:00] Jess is hospitalized and seeks medical treatment as a direct consequence of extreme restriction after a break up in college where her GI issues were address

[24:00] Jess has a coach who gets her weight lifting and opens a whole new world

[35:00] Jess talks about how she just “kept going” without really addressing her eating issues in a meaningful way and begins her personal training career

[45:00] Lisa and Jess discuss living in recovery

Lisa sits down with coach, Melissa K Byers to talk about what it looks like to lead while healing, as Melissa gets honest and vulnerable about her history with binging disordered eating and how she copes to this day.

Topics:

• Bulimia
• Holding space and having support
• Dissociation
• Healing through somatics and restorative yoga

[5:00] Melissa explains what is it means to “clean up the bloodline,” and healing generational trauma

[7:00] Melissa talks about what pulled her toward Lisa’s work and Out of the Cave and what it means to lead while still having her own work to do

[14:00] Melissa recalls how and when food and eating became disordered and her experience with Bulimia, and how she copes when temptations to fall back to those behaviors creep up in her life today

[28:00] Melissa thinks back to the first time she binged and purged and how it became a 3 year addiction and the lack of support she received when she was “found out”

[36:00] Melissa reflects on the “why,” of how for a time, binging and purging was a solution that made sense to her

[44:00] Melissa talks about her 2023 intention being to invest in therapy and being numb during the three years she was in an active eating disorder and processes what it was like for her to be “found out”

[54:00] Melissa shares how getting educated as a social worker gave her the space and support to start healing

Lisa sits down with group coaching alum, and fan favorite podcast guest, Kate to discuss the role of exercise from a place of love and deep self respect, and what movement, exercise, and fitness can teach us about the human experience.

Topics:

• Living a lifestyle of recovery
• Exercising not for weight loss
• Messy action
• Using exercise to stay present in your human experience

[7:25] Kate describes a chaotic morning where life got life-y and how she was reminded she has to show up for herself every single day

[9:15] Kate reflects on her earliest relationship with exercise and follows the thread from childhood to adulthood

[15:00] Kate tells the story of coming out the cave and into a HIIT group fitness class and what messy action looked like for her as she exercised from a place of love and respect for her body

[25:00] Kate shares the roll working out plays in her life today and the community she’s built because of exercise

[30:00] Lisa talks about tracking your workout progress in a way that honors the way our bodies get faster and stronger and is not used as a tool to judge ourselves from a place of fear

[40:00] Lisa and Kate talk about the release and the therapeutic experience that high intensity exercise provides and also how it is a tool that teaches us to tolerate discomfort

[55:00] Kate reflects on how 14 week group coaching impacted her relationship to exercise and ultimately her relationship to self

[1:00:00] Kate and Lisa discuss being mindful about choosing to zone out

Group coaching graduate, D, sits down with Lisa to talk about what has been like to navigate life as a highly sensitive person in a pointy world, what it means to figure out who you really are apart from your titles and roles, and coming to a place where it feels safe to live a true and authentic life.

Topics:

• Being soft in a pointy world
• Abandoning your authentic self to belong
• Substance use
• Adjusting to motherhood
• The fear of being fat
• Binging and over exercise

[2:20] D talks about learning to identify herself from the inside out by doing the work in group coaching and discusses why she chose not to identify herself as a licensed marriage and family therapist while she was a member

[11:00] D recalls the early messages she received about being a deep, sensitive, intuitive, empathic being raised in Los Angeles in the 70s and 80s and how she coped as a little girl

[15:00] D reflects the culture of food in her Jewish home how was a love language for her Bubby, while her mom was what they called a “health nut”

[19:00] D remembers the demand for girls to be pretty (and therefore skinny) and her earliest memories of hearing women speak ill of each other’s bodies

[24:00] D discloses when food, eating, and body image really started coming to her consciousness and how her middle school classmates had a rating system for girls’ bodies and faces, and how she abandoned so much of herself to fit in and belong

[32:00] D talks about how pregnancy and motherhood brought food and eating issues to the forefront and what that looked like for her

[43:00] D reflects on the feelings surrounding her second go at weight loss when her second child was 10 years old and how she ultimately came to recovery

[56:00] D shares about her experience in 14 Week Group Coaching, coming in as a student and treating it as an intensive outpatient program

[1:10:00] D talks about life since completing the program and what has really stuck with her and shares this quote from Rupi Kaur, “it was when I stopped searching for home within others and lifted the foundations of home within myself I found there were no roots more intimate than those between a mind and body that have decided to be whole.”

Lisa sits down with former personal training client, Personal Development Coach, Payal Mehta, and together they explore what it means to live an authentic life out of the cave, despite strong handed, cultural narratives about what, who, and how we should be.

Topics Include:

• Cultural influence on our body image
• Anxiety and the physical experience of emotions
• Moms prioritizing themselves
• Defining holistic health
• Living authentically

[4:30] Payal recalls her early relationship to food, eating, and her body and when she began to feel self-conscious and the emphasis that was put on being thin in her Indian culture, on top of American diet culture

[9:20] Payal explores the idea of “feeling fat” and looks back on her engaging diet culture when she really didn’t have weight to lose because that’s what she was “suppose” to do

[20:00] Lisa and Payal discuss the physical manifestation of emotions and riding the wave when big emotions come to visit

[30:30] Payal explains how coming out of the cave has affected her parenting

[40:00] Payal tells the story of how she came to hire Lisa and her own perception of body size, exercise, and weight loss then and now

[50:00] Lisa defines health and safety and Payal explains what choosing authenticity over attachment looks like in her life

In the most vulnerable episode yet, Lisa opens up about how she in not different than any person her to turns to her for guidance and leadership, gets specific about how and where in life she is experiencing difficulty and pain, and gives a candid account of losing her baby sister, Rebecca.

• High functioning anxiety and depression
• Grief and loss in early childhood
• Living in recovery
• Practicing non-judgment

[6:00] Lisa shares her experience of high functioning anxiety and how she is beginning to identify with high functioning depression

[11:00] Lisa opens up about an experience she had recently with using magic mushrooms as a tool for healing, guided by Alison Midollo and links it back to a time where she did cellular therapy where feelings about the death of her baby sister surfaced

[19:00] Lisa goes back to being five years old and details the experience the short life and tragic death of her 5 month old sister, Rebecca and how her death taught her to use denial as a coping mechanism

[34:00] Lisa talks about how she learned to cope when she was five years old is showing up tangibly today and where she is at mentally and emotionally while confronting this part of herself

[39:00] Lisa shares a few “day in the life” stories and how she deals with stressors and triggers while choosing a recovery

Lisa sits down with her long time client, back from her personal training days, Michelle, about awakening to the human experience. Together they take a walk down memory lane reflecting on the earliest teachings of Out of the Cave, before the actual business even existed!

Topics:

• Being a Parentified Child
• Feeling Objectified
• The Physical Manifestation of Feelings
• Coping with Anxiety while “Out of the Cave”
• Radical Responsibility

[4:15] Michelle recalls not really being aware of her early relationship to food, eating, and her body until working with Lisa and coming “out of the cave” and is now able to look at what life was like as a child of the 70s

[8:00] Michelle speaks of the trauma being a tomboy and going through puberty and being treated differently by the boys who were once her best friends

[16:00] Michelle talks about worrying about how she looked in her late teens, early adulthood in context of the 70s and 80s, in the heyday of the supermodel and teen magazines and really not being conscious of the effect of those times til much later

[21:00] Michelle remembers thinking about her body as a problem, and dieting for the first time and doing that for years until meeting Lisa in the gym

[27:30] Michelle looks back and remember meeting Lisa in the gym and their early work together

[38:00] Michelle talks about having anxiety and how it manifested physically for her

[42:00] Michelle shares a powerful experience she had being guided through a meditation by Lisa

[51:00] Michelle tells us how her life looks different now that she has spent years living out of the cave

[1:04:00] Why Michelle left her job