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In Pursuit of ...

In Pursuit of ...

By Eva Vega-Olds and Jason Sirois

Wondering how to deepen your friendships and other relationships through an antiracism lens? Listen as two friends choose to take on the cross racial work of racial healing after recognizing that their work friendship wasn’t real at all.

Eva and Jason put their professional diversity, equity and inclusion chops to the test in this series of fun, intentional and sometimes difficult conversations.
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S2 E6 (Part 2 of 2) Anti-racist Relationships Among BIPOC: A Continued Conversation with Dr. Keba M. Rogers

In Pursuit of ...Jun 27, 2023

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S2 E6 (Part 2 of 2) Anti-racist Relationships Among BIPOC: A Continued Conversation with Dr. Keba M. Rogers

S2 E6 (Part 2 of 2) Anti-racist Relationships Among BIPOC: A Continued Conversation with Dr. Keba M. Rogers

Dr. Keba M. Rogers continues to share her perspective on antiracist and liberatory relationships with a focus on leveling up to excellence, setting boundaries, and letting people be who they are rather than who we want them to be. Eva and Jason close out with their take-aways from this important conversation.


Jun 27, 202349:31
S2 E6 (Part 1 of 2) Anti-racist Relationships Among BIPOC: A Conversation with Dr. Keba M. Rogers

S2 E6 (Part 1 of 2) Anti-racist Relationships Among BIPOC: A Conversation with Dr. Keba M. Rogers

Eva and Jason close out season 2 with Dr. Keba M. Rogers talking about anti-racist and liberatory relationships among BIPOC folks. Authenticity, valuing humanity over "time," and challenging internalized racism are just a few of the important topics that are covered in part 1 of this episode.


Jun 27, 202342:36
S2 E5 (Part 3 of 3) Anti-racist Relationships Among Friends and Colleagues: A Reflection

S2 E5 (Part 3 of 3) Anti-racist Relationships Among Friends and Colleagues: A Reflection

Eva and Jason reflect on their takeaways from their conversation with Cardozie and Erin, including the implications of Jason saying he “does this work.”

Jun 20, 202324:13
S2 E5 (Part 2 of 3) Anti-racist Relationships Among Friends and Colleagues: A Continued Conversation with Cardozie Jones and Erin Dunlevy

S2 E5 (Part 2 of 3) Anti-racist Relationships Among Friends and Colleagues: A Continued Conversation with Cardozie Jones and Erin Dunlevy

Eva and Jason continue the conversation with Cardozie and Erin to discuss elephants, colonialism, mistakes made, and ways that friendship can be a form of freedom. 


Jun 20, 202334:51
S2 E5 (Part 1 of 3) Anti-racist Relationships Among Friends and Colleagues: A Conversation with Cardozie Jones and Erin Dunlevy

S2 E5 (Part 1 of 3) Anti-racist Relationships Among Friends and Colleagues: A Conversation with Cardozie Jones and Erin Dunlevy

Eva and Jason jump right in with friends and colleagues Cardozie Jones and Erin Dunlevy to explore the need for boundaries, ways to nurture friendships and how “over-relating” can be a red flag for new cross-racial relationships.

Jun 20, 202335:29
S2 E4 (Part 2 of 2): Anti-racist Relationships in the Family: A Continued Conversation with Perri Chandler

S2 E4 (Part 2 of 2): Anti-racist Relationships in the Family: A Continued Conversation with Perri Chandler

Building off of Part 1, Perri opens up to Eva and Jason about a lot, including the difference between "challenging" vs. "addressing," developing trust to be in relationship through the struggles, and what self care looks like for her. She also talks about when she uses the phrase, “It’s not for you.” 


Jun 06, 202334:52
S2 E4 (Part 1 of 2): Anti-racist Relationships in the Family: A Conversation with Perri Chandler

S2 E4 (Part 1 of 2): Anti-racist Relationships in the Family: A Conversation with Perri Chandler

In this episode, Eva and Jason connect with Perri Chandler about anti-racist relationships in the family. Perri opens up about being married to a “white dude,” what changed when they had a child, and the importance of naming race and racism, even when it’s difficult. 


Jun 06, 202336:26
S2 E3 (Part 2 of 2): Anti-racist Relationships Among White People: A Continued Conversation with Dr. Kathy Obear

S2 E3 (Part 2 of 2): Anti-racist Relationships Among White People: A Continued Conversation with Dr. Kathy Obear

Eva, Jason and Dr. Kathy Obear continue their conversation, exploring ways White people can reconnect to their intuition and discussing Dr. Obear's "Ladder of Fear" framework as a way to get to the bottom of any fear White people have about re-envisioning relationships through an anti-racism lens.
May 30, 202340:57
S2 E3 (Part 1 of 2): Anti-racist Relationships Among White People: A Conversation with Dr. Kathy Obear

S2 E3 (Part 1 of 2): Anti-racist Relationships Among White People: A Conversation with Dr. Kathy Obear

Cancel culture, perfectionism, conflict, and feeling feelings...how do these things impact White people's ability to relate with each other through an anti-racism lens? Listen as Eva, Jason and Dr. Kathy Obear explore this and other questions related to anti-racist relationships among White people.

May 30, 202340:28
S2 E2 (Part 2 of 2): Anti-racist Relationships at Work: A Continued Conversation with Benny Vasquez
May 25, 202324:40
S2 E2 (Part 1 of 2): Anti-racist Relationships at Work: A Conversation with Benny Vasquez
May 24, 202335:59
S2 E1: Why the New Podcast Name?
May 24, 202322:27
Season 2 Trailer: In Pursuit of ... Anti-racist Relationships

Season 2 Trailer: In Pursuit of ... Anti-racist Relationships

Season 2 is here!

May 24, 202300:48
S1 Epilogue: One Year Later...What Did We Learn?
Oct 01, 202146:25
S1 E12: Where Do We Go From Here?

S1 E12: Where Do We Go From Here?

In this final episode of Season 1, Eva and Jason talk about key learnings and a few strategies for continuing to build their equitable cross-racial friendship.

Jul 20, 202050:00
S1 E11: Checking In, Taking Stock and Owning It

S1 E11: Checking In, Taking Stock and Owning It

In probably their most authentic conversation yet, Eva and Jason take stock of how the first ten episodes of this series have impacted their friendship; has it grown? Or are they still reflecting patterns of oppression?

Jul 13, 202048:27
S1 E10: Two Sides of the Care Taking Coin
Jul 06, 202031:45
S1 E9: Tales of a Cultural Tour Guide
Jun 29, 202031:01
S1 E8: Racial Stress in Social Settings
Jun 22, 202035:46
S1 E7: The Impact of White Norms
Jun 15, 202031:31
S1 E6: Same Work Space, Different Experiences
Jun 15, 202026:05
S1 E5: Holding Space

S1 E5: Holding Space

Eva and Jason discuss what it means to “hold space” as part of an authentic cross racial friendship.

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Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett

Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Jun 02, 202030:13
S1 E4: Unpacking a Racial Moment

S1 E4: Unpacking a Racial Moment

Eva and Jason pause to unpack some of the racial observations they have made over the last week since the murder of George Floyd.

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Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett

Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Jun 02, 202023:30
S1 E3: The Fear of Authenticity

S1 E3: The Fear of Authenticity

Eva and Jason define their visions of a cross racial friendship and share their fears as they embark on their journey to authenticity and friendship.

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Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett

Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Jun 02, 202021:49
S1 E2: From Colleagues to Friends

S1 E2: From Colleagues to Friends

Eva and Jason have fun remembering their first impressions of each other and reflect on their not so real ten year “friendship.”

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Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett

Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Jun 02, 202027:58
S1 E1: Getting Started

S1 E1: Getting Started

Eva and Jason dive into their pursuit for cross-racial friendship with an exploration of their individual racial stories.

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Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend," DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett

Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Jun 02, 202031:50
Season 1 Trailer: In Pursuit of Cross-Racial Friendship

Season 1 Trailer: In Pursuit of Cross-Racial Friendship

Get a sneak peek about what Season 1 is all about.

Jun 01, 202000:51